by taking education level and past arrest records into the system. do you see that as a problem? >> no. one of the biggest reforms we worked on was the dynamic scoring for the risk needs assessment system. the system is going to be finalized -- the first part of it. in the past, we haven't done a lot of great work on evidence-based research wheenn comes to recidivism reduction. we are making sure we do something that is fair and accounts for socioeconomic factors. at the end of the day, the system has been unfair. and the point of the first step back was to create a fair system. >> two things. the president comparing the impeachment inquiry to lynching. what do you think about that, as a black member of the administration? >> well, what i would say is, i've gotten to know the president closely over the last three years. i was one of his first hires.