of law. our sense within the department are from our reporting is that there are a couple of things in play. there is, of course, the house investigation, and the house has already said if it finds criminal activity within its purview of its investigation, it will refer that to the justice department and then the justice department debate about what to do in terms of a prosecution. now, i think that the public seems to think that it would be easy to charge somebody like a mark meadows or the former president simply because of what we saw play out on our television screens that day. the justice department would need to secure a conviction not just at the district level but at the appeals level, and perhaps even before the supreme court, so any case would have to be beyond airtight, generally speaking, when i speak with former prosecutors they say this is not the time to do novel legal theory. this is not the time to stretch because you don't want to weaken yourself. this is something you don't want to lose if it's a case that you worked to bring. >> barbara, what do you think of