digital space is highly contested, and one of the reasons you see a chinese balloon over the u.s., and you see putin's, you know, digital army hawking the u.s., both china with an office of -- and russia have gotten into sensitive systems. we can't take this for granted. at the same time, i think what you do see, particularly with current president and former vice president biden, and former vice president pence, you don't have to be malicious or sloppy in order to run into trouble here. i think former president trump has terrible digital hygiene. we are seeing that. >> lucy, for does this mean, big picture? how will this reflect on trump's possible 2024 campaign. as a possible, he is running running into hurdle after hurdle. >> yeah, i think this will wind up being relatively inconsequential, frankly, because of the fact that we