0 lifetime on questions of what christians and jews and mormons and that, is take care of the sick. take care of the aged. take care of our kids. stop the wars, stop the drones. i mean if we have to -- >> how does cardinal dolan match up with what you're saying about the pope. while you say you like pope francis, what do you think cardinal dolan is doing politically, because the pope has said we shouldn't get into politics so much but there's cardinal dolan on "meet the press" saying we don't like obama care anymore. >> the more the pope talks, the more the cardinals will understand it's god's will. unfortunately clergy people have to be concerned with their congregation. if we have the pope, we wouldn't have cuts in food stamps, we would have immigration, we would have health care, kids would be educated, we wouldn't have two million people locked up in jail and we wouldn't have drones destroying the lives of people that we don't know. god bless the pope. and i'm glad the cardinal hears him. i wish other religions would hear them, because there's a vacuum in congress. capitalism is the best thing in the world, but it's not set up to take care of the poor. >> congressman charlie rangel, great to have you here. i think you can easily invest in green ba nananabananas. thanks for your time. joining me now, editor of the "washington post" wonkblog, ezra klein. good to see you, buddy. it was a big weekend for the administration. now they're touting these big gains, coming out with nbc news being able to verify these numbers. 100,000 numbers successfully selected health insurance plans in november, up from the 27,000 in october. and we had jennifer palmieri speak to our chuck todd this morning. i want to play more about what she has to say about promoting this website. >> the question about what you're getting at, i think, is whether or not we're trying to drive traffic to the site and using different communications arms and insurers doing television advertising to do that. our view right now is we are not doing that because we don't need to do that in terms of driving traffic. >> so not doing that in terms of driving traffic. is this a more wait and see approach, a strategy that we're getting, ezra, from the white house about the website, the functions and how it's going toto encourage people and enroll people over the next few weeks or is this a set plan of kind of what public relations reset campaign is all about? >> oh, no, this plan to do the campaign was supposed to happen a couple of months ago now. what you're seeing there is a decision to try to move traffic to the website gradually. so the administration is sort of in context beginning to tell allies, beginning to tell influencers to try to get people to the website. the president will say it in speeches. kathleen sebelius said it to state and local officials. it's been on different mailing lists. but they don't want to do a major thing all at once because fundamentally the website has made big strides but it is not yet fixed. it is true it is up more than 90% of the time, but if you were dealing with major retail websites, basically the lowest uptime they have is 99.4%. the website ain't there yet. then you have all those back-end fungsds like transmitting data correctly to the insurers, like giving people the correct eligibility determination to see what their subsidy would be and those are a little bit problematic so they have to be careful not to put too many people there before the back-end things are fixed. >> republicans are predicting that 80% of americans with employer-provided insurance who are not affected by the health care law are soon going to see themselves booted off those plans has employers decide to push employees into health exchanges. is that a real danger that americans should be worried about or is this just another fear tactic, something that the gop is using to scare people? >> at the moment i think this is just a big fear tactic. right now i have insurance through the washington post. they don't have to do anything. they don't have to give me a dollar of insurance. the affordable care act, the main change it makes is actually they would have to pay money if they didn't give me insurance so it becomes a more costly proposition for them to stop giving me insurance. the republican argument is it making it harder for employers to stop giving insurance, will mean more of them do it. it's an odd look at it. the best evidence we have on this coming out of the massachusetts reforms, which are very similar to obama care which also have a very similar kind of employer mandate, they have had no employer dropoff. in fact more employers are offering insurance than ever. so our lived experience doesn't quite back it up. >> ezra klein, great to see you today. thank you, sir. that brings us to today's big question for you. do you think that the problems with obama care are over now that the website is on the mend? weigh in on twitter and facebook. some of your responses have already come in. we appreciate that. and we want to go back to that breaking news that we told you about last hour. in toledo, ohio, a 14-year-old boy is now in custody after reports of a gunman inside a high school. the superintendent telling nbc news the suspect was holed up by himself in a classroom at scott high school. police say that gunman had a pellet gun. officials say no students were ever in jeopardy and students are expected to be released soon to their parents. developing news now, the ntsb is saying investigators plan to conduct interviews today or tomorrow with the engineer an conductor of the train involved in a deadly derailment in new york city. federal officials say they have successfully removed some data from two black boxes recovered from the train over the weekend. four people were killed. more than 60 were injured when their commuter train spun off the tracks while taking a sharp turn in the bronx. among the dead, donna smith known for her volunteer work and dedication to charity and 58-year-old jim level, an audio technician for nbc's "today" show. survivors of the crash describe the chaos. >> as we were going over, i looked at my two -- i screamed at my two friends that we're going over. i just -- i couldn't believe it, i was in shock. >> it was -- when it went around the curve, i mean i actually looked up. i knew something was -- it was going way too fast. >> there was screaming and people crying out to god and asking for their families. it was pretty gruesome. >> nbc's kristen dahlgren is live at the scene for us. kristen, it seems as if all arrows are pointing to the speed for investigators to look at when it comes to how that train was navigating the turn. >> reporter: yeah, it does. and what it may come down to in the investigation, thomas, is the black boxes. they have now been recovered from the front and the rear cars of that train. they'll be sent to washington, d.c., where that data will be downloaded and analyzed. and from that they should get more information about how fast it was going and whether or not the brakes were hit as it went around this turn. take a look, though, at some new video that we've obtained. this is home video taken really just in the minutes after the crash. it shows just a massive rescue operation under way. the train operator in those minutes after told the mta investigators that he did what's called dumping the brakes. that the normal braking system wasn't working so he tried this emergency procedure in which you hit all of the emergency brakes on all of the cars at the same time. remember, this is a curve where he would have had to have reduced the speed from 70 to 30 miles per hour. here's what the governor had to say about that on the "today" show this morning. >> i think it is going to be speed-related. this was a tricky turn on the system, but it's a turn that's been here for decades and trains negotiate all day long, so it's not about the turn. i think it's going to turn out to be about the speed more than anything, and the operator's operation of the train at that time. >> reporter: now, the ntsb hopes to conduct its own interviews with the engineer and the conductor in the next day or so, so they should have some more information. right now they're using this huge crane to pick those cars back up, put them on the track. that will also give them better access, thomas, so they can complete their investigation here. >> kristen dahlgren reporting for us. thank you. raw amotion from actor tyrese beggibson as he gifts th site where his friend paul walker was killed in a horrific car crash over the weekend. still ahead what investigators say may have played a role in that tragic accident. plus the rnc now back tracking on a tweet attempting to honor rosa parks' historic arrest. just how hard is it really working to reach out to the african-american community in this country? the agenda panel weighs in on that. first, the florida woman who got a 20-year sentence for firing what she says is a warning shot at her abusive husband is out on bond. i'm going to talk to one of the lawyers who helped her get that new trial next. 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