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interference and it is so unfair to the public and to our country to let -- to have this happening. >> martha: interesting to see whether the supreme court weighs in on the immunity issue and whether it has an impact on some of the other situations. i want to ask you about the third party issue. dana mentioned the latest polling. let's put up the headline poll here trump versus biden. new nbc poll has trump up two in a head-to-head. in a five-way race that includes kennedy, stein and west, biden is ahead by two points. a lot of discussion over who kennedy helps or hurts. we're seeing mixed bag in the swing state polls with regard to that. what do you think about him in this race as a factor? >> well, i think if you have a kennedy on the ballot, america is going to understand a kennedy on the ballot is a democrat and this is a green new deal loving candidate in terms of kennedy and also in terms of he likes