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is also fascinating. >> he was giving's ph.d. in criminology. >> did he know what was happening, did he study core proceedings as well? i can imagine he did or at least browsed through a book on it. it is fascinating to see that this is part of his plan, or his defense i should say. >> i shoot it is also interesting when he rose a theory that maybe he wanted people to start talking about, him not speaking in court if he is someone who had this criminal mind that was you know thinking through his different strategies for killing these women in this awful way. maybe he was thinking about that, who knows. but i also think that this town, i was looking it up, they have not had a recorded murder on the books since 2015. this is a small, town it's like 20 or 25,000 people. the fact that this happened there it is we are talking about a criminal, we're talking about somebody who obviously has mental issues. but it is struck the entire nerve of the town.