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shaping up as they thought it would, as again as most of us think that it's going to. for them, they're really looking at it because they strongly believe that this contest, the whole election is going to come down to a contrast, a stark contrast between what joe biden will mean poor the future of this country, the future of democracy, the future of rights and freedoms and the economy, as it's getting better, versus what it would mean under a donald trump presidency. that's believe that's the contrast that joe biden will win in november. >> s.e., how much clarity do you think the caucuses will provide as far as trump's ability to lock up the nomination? >> iowa's important. iowa's not the same as new hampshire or south carolina voters. if we have been under indexing