medicare or overhauling the medicare government at the state level. that boosts the deficit up by a number -- by a lot of money. >> john -- >> yeah. let me interrupt you there. >> i understand you are pessimistic when it comes to the idea of health care reform. let me back up for a second. you where this book "defining conservatism." when you talk about politics and conservatism, how did you get so conservative? did you grow up this way? it is not like you are going on decades of experience here? >> well, my parents didn't tell me to be a conservative. my parents didn't do that. i got involved when i was 9 years old because i wanted to know what was going on in the world around me. i wanted to know. i started hearing about a filibuster when i was 9 years old and i wanted to know what that term was and form my own opinions on issues. my parents said, if you want to