liberal. and he showed up on that side of the issue dependably from, as we've heard, abortion rights to campaign finance to the death penalty. >> did president ford know what he was getting when he appointed justice, nominated, appointed justice stevens in '75? >> no. and i think that this is really the case that we see again and again here in washington. not always, but in many cases where centrists are appointed and they evolve over time. they change with times, with the issues. justice souter has had a similar trajectory, disappointing many conservatives. i think it's just, you know, part of it is human nature. it will be very interesting to see whether president obama, with his highly charged political environment, some of which shaped the stupak decision, i'm convinced, goes with somebody who is, in fact, highly ideological or another centrist, to try to sort of calm things down. i would rather doubt he's going to take that tact, by the way. >> mark, i talk about the politics and reactions you've