there are different types of birth certificates and different states in different counties. if i don't have my original out of harris county in texas, if i get a duplicate, it might not have the raised seal on it but a vital statistics birth certificate. this is a nonsensical issue. they are playing to the nuts on the right. >> john, do you agree this is all about politics? >> yeah. it has become all about politics. it's feeding off a persistent fear that president obama is unamerican. and this becomes a symbol for that. it really has -- look -- this is something that the obama campaign put on the web in june of 2008. the republican governor of hawaii, linda lingual has backed. it should have been done a long time ago and became a very persistent conspiracy theory feeding into people's worst instincts and fears that have to do with whether or not president obama is truly american. that is absurd stuff and we see it getting currency now in state capitals, these people have to wake up.