of the happy family and maybe -- even though ben doesn't think so, i think she may actually try a run, believe it or not, for president -- >> oh, she'll try, she'll try. >> i think this makes her a nicer looking candidate, wouldn't you think? >> i think it makes her a nicer looking candidate. >> all the family values are intact now. >> very far-fetched idea she would be -- >> larry: dana, do you believe the couple went to "us" or do you think "us" offered money? >> i think maybe -- i think both are absolutely possible. it's probably a little bit different than i would approach it going to tabloid magazine were i in their position. people do what they do. whether or not they got compensated for it. maybe they did. i just -- we're just such a voyeuristic society. i'm just happy to see a couple working it out in the media. it's nice to see. we have the mel gibson breakdown and all of that. so it's sort of refreshing -- >> they put them forward at the convention, come on. they used them as political props. look at our family values. >> oh, yeah, well -- >> the president of the united states brought his daughters out too but i don't believe in going