been repealed to -- that you have to carry your i.d. if you're an alien live in this country, if you're a permanent resident, alien, student visa, federal law requires you to carry your documents, okay? you are not supposed to be here illegally. if you are you need to leave. if you are here illegally, some trying to work, you are here illegally. you can sugarcoat it, say it is mean, you can say it's vile, but that means you think the laws are vile. repeal the laws or enforce the laws. arizona is doing what the federal government will not do. >> again, some of what you are arguing, laura, is just a straw argument. i began from the premise that the federal government needs to enforce the law. what we need -- >> they're not going to enforce them. they're not enforcing them. mark. that's why that's where we are. >> laura, we agree on the point. we don't have to pretend to disagree on the point. my disagreement with you is on the response to that reality. the response to that reality. >> states are supposed to do nothing? sit there and hope -- >> larry: laura, don't interrupt. one at a time.