most of the unions in the united states don't support that type of a policy. with people like me, they have to insist on, though, that you come into the country and i took my family to the movies yesterday and we paid $6 or $7 a piece to go into the movie. we didn't just walk up to the ticket window and say you can go to the movie for free. these people have come into the country illegally. we have to recognize that and come to grips with it once we learn politically and the rest will fall into place. >> are you hearing anything from your fellow congressman that indicates to you that there is some room here, movement on this very controversial issue that the two of you can work together? >> yes, there is. although, i think joe has -- >> specifically, what is it that