opportunity for you to go out and get your pizza to put in your home. that's the difference in the philosophical approach that i have. i believe, shannon, government should be in the business of, first, leveling the playing field, and, secondly, helping people to help themselves. >> so he obviously, joe, making light of the fact he's a former pizza guy. so let me ask the obvious, which is what is it about him that makes him this potential player in presidential politics? >> well, he doesn't come out of nowhere. herman cain is well-known in republican circles. he does have a great personal story. has a reputation as a no nonsense businessman. he's been making noises frankly about running for president for more than a decade. he also ran for the senate in georgia in 2004. so at this stage it's really just about the money you can raise or can't raise and at least he sort of taking a look at it early.
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