to export to the world. >> you said the u.s. is helping to facilitate that in some way? >> i'm sure it is not our intention to facilitate this kind of corruption, but the idea that you can get stability by supporting a corrupt government have proved wrong, and it is about time to reconsider who is our ally and be on the right side of history. it's, it is not working. we know it is not working. >> my previous guest said the people have already made up their mind and ready to move on but mubarak hasn't. >> i totally agree. i think the problem -- >> but will he? >> mubarak, mubarak is gone. the problem is how long it will take for him to have no options but leaving his -- zsh. >> do you think he's gone, though? i mentioned iran but there have been others where people thought okay this person is going to be gone, this regime is going to be
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