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why is that? >> because it is the largest country. and because sadat made peace. you know, for an arab country to make peace at that time with menachem begin, that was huge. and for doing it he was assassinated. mubarak was little known. he said oh yeah, there's a vice president. which by the way, mubarak hasn't had. so he came into office. he has never really run for election. the elections have been fraudulent. he was picked there and he's been there ever since. so he's never been tested. he's never had to face the loyalty of his people until now. >> where do you see it going from here? you've lived through so many of these kinds of news events. you get a certain feel for taz a journalist at some point, don't you? about where the momentum's going. >> well, the momentum is going toward his leaving. but what the united states i any is trying to do is to make his leaving in some orderly way so he isn't shoved out, they have to find a place for him to go, although he says he's going to continue to live in egypt.
>> because it is the largest country. and because sadat made peace. you know, for an arab country to make peace at that time with menachem begin, that was huge. and for doing it he was assassinated. mubarak was little known. he said oh yeah, there's a vice president. which by the way, mubarak hasn't had. so he came into office. he has never really run for election. the elections have been fraudulent. he was picked there and he's been there ever since. so he's never been tested. he's never had to face the loyalty of his people until now. >> where do you see it going from here? you've lived through so many of these kinds of news events. you get a certain feel for is as a journalist at some point, don't you? about where the momentum's going. >> well, the momentum is going toward his leaving. but what the united states is trying to do is to make his leaving in some orderly way so
and if that becomes radicalized, the entire picture of the middle east changes. this is very important to us. this is something when people say why should i care, we have to care. >> when you interviewed mubarak's predecessor, anwar el sadat, you said is it true there cannot be war or peace in the arab world without egypt? he said to you, "this is a fact. war or peace is decided in egypt." why is that? >> because it is the largest country. and because sadat made peace. you know, for an arab country to make peace at that time with menachem begin, that was huge. and for doing it he was assassinated. mubarak was little known. he said oh yeah, there's a vice president. which by the way, mubarak hasn't had. so he came into office. he has never really run for election. the elections have been fraudulent. he was picked there and he's been there ever since. so he's never been tested. he's never had to face the loyalty of his people until now. >> where do you see it going from here? you've lived through so many of these kinds of news events. you get a certain feel for taz a
the u.s. is going to do. i don't think that a, the u.s. really understands that president mubarak hasn't gotten it. and he doesn't really know what he's phasing. >> it's interesting, on the street we're hearing people talk about almost revolution, they want him gone today. and in washington we're hearing a six-month transition to democracy. those are two very different world views. colliding, i guess right now. elise don't go anywhere, we have an american student in egypt on the phone right now. nick is from new york and is currently a student at the american university in cairo. for obvious reasons nick is comfortable with us not showing his last name. thank you so much. you just got back into the country a couple of days ago, you were on sort of a side trip. you came back to egypt where you're a student. you were advised not to go back to your apartment, though. you're now at the university. what's the mood like and how safe are you feeling? >> at the university i feel very safe right now. as of now, the university is on lockdown and the campus is closed. and only students who live on
to export to the world. >> you said the u.s. is helping to facilitate that in some way? >> i'm sure it is not our intention to facilitate this kind of corruption, but the idea that you can get stability by supporting a corrupt government have proved wrong, and it is about time to reconsider who is our ally and be on the right side of history. it's, it is not working. we know it is not working. >> my previous guest said the people have already made up their mind and ready to move on but mubarak hasn't. >> i totally agree. i think the problem -- >> but will he? >> mubarak, mubarak is gone. the problem is how long it will take for him to have no options but leaving his -- zsh. >> do you think he's gone, though? i mentioned iran but there have been others where people thought okay this person is going to be gone, this regime is going to be
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