and if that becomes radicalized, the entire picture of the middle east changes. this is very important to us. this is something when people say why should i care, we have to care. >> when you interviewed mubarak's predecessor, anwar el sadat, you said is it true there cannot be war or peace in the arab world without egypt? he said to you, "this is a fact. war or peace is decided in egypt." why is that? >> because it is the largest country. and because sadat made peace. you know, for an arab country to make peace at that time with menachem begin, that was huge. and for doing it he was assassinated. mubarak was little known. he said oh yeah, there's a vice president. which by the way, mubarak hasn't had. so he came into office. he has never really run for election. the elections have been fraudulent. he was picked there and he's been there ever since. so he's never been tested. he's never had to face the loyalty of his people until now. >> where do you see it going from here? you've lived through so many of these kinds of news events. you get a certain feel for taz a
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