>> he's the first guy that came in here and he's gotten it so that children can't -- you can't deny a child health care for pre-existing children. he's gotten it so the parents can keep their 20-something children, why not say, yeah, it is obamacare. >> you know, candy, because i don't think we have to name it in order to claim it. what we need to say is that it is -- it will help average americans lower their costs, provide more access to people without health insurance and remove all these discriminatory practi practices by the insurance companies. >> at the end of the day, donna, you're still at the same spot, despite the litany of things that you just laid out. you don't answer the fundamental question which comes that many in congress have been asking in congress for the last two years. how much and who pays, and when you're talking about bringing people into the system, 30 million plus individuals into a health care system that is already in existence, you've got to figure out a way and got to lay out very clearly the costs, the costs to small businesses,