saying, this place is going to be drenched in blood. >> a civil war he proclaims if you do not bacchus. they would have told you this was a democratic country. gadhafi would say, i'm not the head of this country the way mubarak is, we have ministers, we have other people, it's a democracy, obviously his people have felt oppressed for years. if the country really did have the sort of freedom that he wanted to -- this would have been a great tourist attraction. it sounds strange to say, they have beautiful beaches, they have wonderful ruins. it is a country with a great deal of oil. so it's been this oppression by gadhafi that has kept him from progressing all of these years. >> you spent so much time and interviewed so many of the leaders in the middle east over the years, did you ever expect you would see a tidal wave of protests and uprising in so many countries at once? i mean, all ignited really from