you hear constantly that they want a glimpse into the candidate's personal life. what he is like, values. they look to the wives for that. >> today's "new york times" has a piece about all of this and says voters are hungry for details. come on. is it vote hears that are hungry or journalists looking for a juicy story? >> journalists don't make up what people read. we followed the stuff really -- >> what to put on the front page and the cover of the magazine. >> we pay very close attention to what people are interested in, what catches their attention. we know what they like to read. >> deborah, in this case of mitch daniels, there is no scandal here. split up, got back together. is this the kind of journalistic intrusiveness that drives people out of politics? >> i don't know. i wonder when the media are being played. i mean, i don't have any inside information on this. but mitch daniels candidacy if he runs for president is based on the fact he's the guy who can win. he's the heavyweight. ron pauls, santorums, haley