position. what do you think of that? what does this mean for rudy giuliani, all of this talk of secretary of state and attorney general and where he would be. >> well, this is a period of time when we're bound to hear a lot of rumors. people have referred to sort of chaos in the transition. there's a natural element of sorting out that's happening. the appointment of jeff sessions if that in fact is what's happening reaffirms this notion donald trump is putting people in place who he's comfortable with, who were supportive and loyal during his campaign but shares his vision on policy. certainly with respect to immigration no one has been more forceful about talking about the need for border security over the years than jeff sessions. in many ways this appointment if true would make perfect sense. >> you look at jeff sessions, that's not a surprise given how close those two men were. nor was general flynn a surprise. nor reince preibus. steve bannon maybe a little bit of a surprise. right now you got four potential people being named all white