brandishing, such that police have the, have reason to fear for their safety. that's sort of the quandary that open-carry states put us in, because it raises the question whether or not a gun must be in the holster or it can be down by your side, so language as you're not waving or being aggressive with the firearm. other states require, with open-carry laws, require the firearm to be in the holster, but north carolina doesn't have that requirement. this is an issue reasonable minds can and do differ on in the law. >> seems like you have two issues that are coming up against each other, because we heard the d.a. saying, danny, that all of the research, there's a lot of research on reaction time or being able, for an officer shooting or someone who has a wen at their side and it being raids. he said the evidence show there's is a tie. which means that there was a reasonable assumption on the part of the officer that he was in danger, but at the same time,