norms. i think trump is trying to get into a position of strength. i actually applaud him for it. >> is there any risk of military intervention becoming involved in this situation. >> not at all. i think that the chinese understand how important we are to their economic success. in fact, they hold 100 billion plus surplus -- trade surplus with the united states. also, taiwan is the number one investor in their economy. they understand the goose and the golden egg and they're not going to do anything to disrupt that. >> is this a power play by donald trump? and how effective do you anticipate it is, given not only the phone call but also his tweets? >> i think that the president-elect understands a lot better than i think people give him credit for. i think that he understands that for a long, long time, china's been dictating a lot of the terms of the multi -- or excuse me, the bilateral agreement