about mayor nutter? >> not at all. it's shame you don't want to give acknowledgement to the fact that part of your statement is incorrect. the american people, by a popular voted for hillary clinton. a bunch of things happened during the course of the campaign and even mr. trump was questioning the legitimacy of the election. now that he's won all those issues, in his mind, go away. >> do you think he's not the president? >> ben, hey, ben, we're not going to do this tonight. you're going to let me finish. the number of intelligence agencies have now indicated clearly that there was russian interference in the election process. mr. trump said one thing during the campaign. i think the electors have a right as they do in many states to follow their conscience.