i have to take that piece very seriously. i do think that people like mcmaster's are risking their solid reputation for integrity and credibility every day they stay in the white house because this president is an unstable force who is more than willing to pull the rug out from underneath you calling into question your integrity, and i think that's a real problem and that's what ricks is getting at. >> he's getting at two things, aside from what it does to mcmaster's own reputation, he also said, and an important part of this, it's better for the country not to have the protective shield of someone with a lot of credibility like mcmaster around him that gives the president a little bit more leverage and credibility when dealing with our allies and adversaries. do you agree with ricks' assessment that it's better for the country as a whole if mcmaster and some of those others were to leave? >> i think that would suggest a level of cynicism i don't subscribe to. remember how mcmasters got