even in their own home, but these leaks do make the public better informed about what's going on inside the governments. >> but do you think -- >> that's certainly the intention. >> do you think, using paul's word of the chilling effect, will this warning have a chilling effect? will it make members of the media double down? >> the reporters -- the investigative reporters at cnn, "the post," "new york times," they are very careful about communicating with sources. for example, not using cell phones in some cases or using really secure apps or drop boxes. there's a variety of ways that journalists communicate with sources and i think that's partly why the government's having such a hard time investigating these cases. there's only been one prosecution that we know of of a leaker this year, a contractor who allegedly leaked to the intercept. that's the only case we know where sessions and the government has been able to prosecute a leaker. it's been difficult and i think that's a credit to the journalists who are being very careful communicating with sources. that will definitely not change. >> you know, i think -- i think