o'donnell or someone who complains about his ratings than he was about nazis and violence in charlottesville. so i think it's the bare minimum for a president to come out and talk about something like that. it's the bare minimum of what you would expect. that's why i tweeted that. i think the fact that it took him several days to come out and say what he said this afternoon, it's too little too late. i mean one's initial response to something like this is the most important response, not after there is a media outcry and an outcry from republican leaders that you need to do this. it doesn't count. you don't get a mulligan as president of the united states. >> we're also talking about white supremacists and neo-nazis here. >> it's not a hard case. >> right. >> this is not a tough call. this is just the most -- the fact that we're even talking about it seems like it's not real life. we're talking about the president couldn't condemn nazis. >> i also think many americans who are persecuted by the same neo-nazis, many people who suffer under the thumb of oppression, who deal with this