i mean one's initial response to something like this is the most important response, not after there is a media outcry and an outcry from republican leaders that you need to do this. it doesn't count. you don't get a mulligan as president of the united states. >> we're also talking about white supremacists and neo-nazis here. >> it's not a hard case. >> right. >> this is not a tough call. this is just the most -- the fact that we're even talking about it seems like it's not real life. we're talking about the president couldn't condemn nazis. >> i also think many americans who are persecuted by the same neo-nazis, many people who suffer under the thumb of oppression, who deal with this what has become america, which is white supremacy are not surprised by this at all. you take donald trump, whose father was arrested in 1927 in a kkk rally. you take donald trump who was sued by the department of justice for housing discrimination, the traditional park five. and then he becomes president. he involves and becomes