also have standards for what in this country we consider right or wrong. i think the society of professional journalists might have released some guidance on that, it's okay to call out discrimination. that's part of what we do as journalists. this idea if we're calling out racism is bias, makes our reporting less valid, that's something newsroom managers have to pay attention to. >> you're saying sometimes blacks or hispanics are asked questions about their biases. >> i have. i've been asked, ask you cover this without bias. i ask people that, do we question white men perhaps covering issues relate today white men. we need to think about that. >> the notion that the ompeople who experience rehabilitate race are people of color is, of course, absurd.