culture that politicize that and then have the nerve to say, well, it's not offensive. i just think it's tasteless! it's tasteless! how is this conservative? how does this advance republicanism? how is this appropriate for the president of the united states in that situation? it just doesn't! >> what i don't understand, what does the president get out of saying something like this? i know, obviously, you think it's funny or, you know, kind of light like his jabbing spirit -- >> it's classless. but you know, again, is this really the ceremony to be doing that in? >> well, anderson, you know, many people that spend time with president trump describe him in person and in general as very charming and witty and funny. and i think that the men that were standing there -- i don't know if they were men and women, these navajo code talkers, they recognize that the kind of humor in it. they also recognize, by the way, that there's lots of people in their lives -- >> i'm not sure that they recognize the humor. they seem to be -- >> they look shell shocked. >> let me say it this way. i think what he said had an