forth between steve bannon and the white house. the most interesting part of this, the most consequential part of this is the fact that steve bannon, who was a member of the white house, says the actions of the trump campaign were traitorous, treasonous. he basically says that the campaign was in bed with a foreign adversary and they should have called the fbi. he has a window seat into everything and he itself, you know, republicans have gone after everybody on this issue and now steve bannon is the one saying that the trump campaign acted against the interests of the american people, on behalf of a foreign adversary, calling it treason himself. >> it is pretty stark. >> i mean, to your earlier question, too, as a former campaign staffer and administration staffer, nothing worries me more than a staffer who thinks they're more than a staffer. i think that's what we have here. proximity has a way of diluting many people near power to thinking that they wield it. this is clearly one of those cases. you know, one of the things that i think is interesting, though,