and i think especially when you're talking about the president of the united states. listen, i understand especially in the media there are a lot of people that don't like the president. he's had a tough run with the media. he often is out there counterpunching and defending himself. to go after his family to me is crossing a line. >> you called the russia investigation a witch-hunt. what was your response when you read the e-mails that donald trump jr. himself put out that show he had a meeting in trump tower with a woman who had been sold to him as a russian government lawyer promising dirt on the hillary clinton during the campaign. did that not alarm you? even if there wasn't evidence of collusion from that meeting there was a willingness to get dirt from a foreign government about a political opponent? >> well, i think when -- you know, again, when you're doing operational research during a campaign, you take whatever information is at the table. now i would never work with a foreign government, but, again, these are people that have never