population. i think he will. what he laid out is serious. we look at the democrats willing to cause pain for the american people shutting down the government. if they don't step up and say let's look at negotiation because he has a willingness to protect the population, then they have a big problem with their base and d.r.e.a.m.ers because it shows they're not seriously. >> if you would get down there and cut deals we wouldn't be dealing with this brinksmanship. would you back a deal for d.r.e.a.m.ers? >> i understand it is broader than this daca population. i'm a national security guy. we'll see. i'll see what comes out of this thing. >> what is not conservative or contrary to american security interests to have a pathway to citizenship for people who have been here their whole lives and in many cases contributed more to their country than i have? >> well, as i said, i'm on the record for this daca population which, yeah, i think there are folks who have been here since they were 2 or 5 and they're