to be able to read that. okay. next, should the president sit down with an interview with robert mueller? >> well, in this case i would say we should rely on his attorneys and sounds like they're suggesting he should not. one thing when you're involved in litigation, you're paying your attorneys to give you the right advice. >> yeah. but just to be clear, it sounds like from the new york times reporting that they're suggesting that he not do so because they are worried that he would say something misleading and be charged with lying? >> well, in this case, alyson, where the issue is not really collusion. i mean, i think most people have said there was no collusion. now you're into the nuances of what is obstruction of justice? is there an allegation in that way? is that where this investigation is headed? >> but before that, just lying to investigators.