out above the democratic fray of the other 10, 15, 20 something that are maybe vying for the job. >> joe biden would be, i believe, 78 in 2020. donald trump, the president would be 74. would his age be an issue? he is only four years older than president trump. >> wasn't an issue for donald trump when he ran and he was elected and became the oldest president. so you almost feel like they would cancel each other out. what we see from biden is interesting. he is one of the people who you have seen democratic candidates like doug jones want in that state and want in that race. it will be interesting to see throughout 2018, nobody really wants the clints on the stump. hillary or bill clinton. if you're somebody like joe manchin or john tester, you probably don't want barack obama out there either. so it will be interesting if some of the red state democrats feel like joe biden can carry