>> on a plane. >> right, with the plane. here you have a situation where they have completely changed course. they're on board. they're marching with them. and the sister of kim is -- this is a hunl deal. this is a family dynasty. in many ways she is the second most important person in the country. >> do you think any of the president's overtures or belicose rhetoric factors in to the way in which the two koreas are communicating? lunch that they're having tomorrow, that the north koreans may be inviting president moon to pyongyang? how does trump factor into all of this? >> the trump policy has been quite incoherent, honestly. one day there's a threat, another day he talks about meeting with them. if there was some kind of calculated good cop, bad cop routine, it would be one thing. it feels pretty undisciplined and incoherent. one day trump talks about how it might make sense to meet with