have happened, bottom line. >> in washington, d.c. you have some of the most restrictive gun laws in america, and it's certainly a land of peace and harmony. all the people doing the killing are illegally obtaining the guns. the notion that's going to happen isn't the solution and you brush aside the idea that other responsible people who have shown a commitment to these children might be willing to undertake that responsibility. >> most of the people who have guns are responsible and use them responsibly. that is not the issue and you're conflating two different issues. that's not the issue. do you need a military grade weapon on the streets of the united states, anyone who is not a police officer or who is trained or licensed to use it? no, we don't need that. why do we need to have that silly argument and pretend that it's anything other than our access to guns? >> if it's a silly argument, then it's not an argument at all. >> go on, van. >> ken makes a good point in