the clinton administration, back to the early bush administration, 2002 when they started to reverse theirements work, going through the obama administration. the north has provoked with its tests but has not really been willing to deal. that's what's significant. but there is a script here, right? so the south has been pushing for closer ties, china has always been the key player here. china can turn the lights on and off here. and they don't want a flood of -- they don't want a failed regime there because of what it would mean in terms of korean refuge refugees. >> china has somewhat of a laborious situation and has a border issue. they are not as hard line as the u.s. is obviously and they don't want a u.s.-backed unified regime in government in korea. >> that's right. there's somewhat of a naked preference there as well. then you also have to look at,
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