it's hard because i just -- just substitute george w. bush, barack obama. >> when barack obama did this, what did we do? what barack obama did this, what did we do? >> oh, he didn't. >> and, don, i would urge people because i did this. go and either listen to the audio of donald trump's interview or read the transcript. i wrote something on our site about it. there's so many non sequiturs, so many times where i was -- it's sort of like a monologue, it just washes over you, washes over you. he's just talking at those three people. that is not an interview in any sense of the word. >> what do you think, ryan? >> i think it was a 30-minute rant. you know when you see a lot of reporting, you see a lot of daily reporting that is off of conversations trump has with his