oftentimes don't return for that court date, and therefore, that's another source of illegal immigration. and he has really tried to get at that problem. it's really difficult to get at that problem, and one of the issues with what we were talking about earlier is he wants this legislative package to include changes to that whole process, so people arriving at the border would go through a totally different process or have no process at all or way of staying in the country if they don't want to go home. >> people want to speak tie jud -- to a judge, have a right to be heard. that is reflective of what the united states claims to stand for. the president wants to change that. >> whatever your opinions at home or whatever your coverage skills here at the table, is there anyone who thinks this close to the election we're going to negotiate a major immigration package and get it passed into law and signed by