impeachment being -- >> but the court hasn't ruled on that. >> let me ask you about the impeachment idea because giuliani said the president would be impeached if he were to pardon himself. and others agreed. let's listen. >> the president of the united states pardoning himself would just be unthinkable, and it would lead to probably an immediate impeachment. >> there's no way that will happen. because then it becomes a political problem. if the president were to pardon himself, he'll get impeached. >> if the president decided to pardon himself, i think that's almost self-executing impeachment. >> everyone seems to agree, jim. if that's the case, why even make this argument involving the president and murder? >> so, i think -- i don't get the murderer argument. set that aside for a second. when you talk about impeachment, when you talk about the president and hisality to hire and fire folks who are in the executive bran of government who are article 2 appointees of the