straight. that first smackdown about stormy daniels payments from donald trump to rudy giuliani, rudy giuliani has said a um until ber of things i thought donald trump is not going to be happy about that. or donald trump may just say out the door you go. we haven't heard anything like that. and why? because what strategy is rudy giuliani following? the one that donald trump has made famous. say as many things as possible, see what stick, see what your base responds to, and go with those. 13 angry democrats, witch hunt, hoax. it's a strategy that works and one that we know donald trump likes. >> rick, i'm wondering if it's doing more harm than good for the president now. he's kind of like, he's become a funny meme on the internet. in the media, people are like, what's going on with him? >> i think rudy's job is not to be a lawyer. rudy's job is to throw bombs. the president wants bombs to be thrown. trump grew up in this whole,