administration chose to, as one of the guests earlier said, you know, a phone call from donald trump to dhs could end it. >> is there gray area here? >> there isn't really gray area. in fact, there is a strong argument to be made and now this is legal not on the political side that what the trump administration is doing is a violation of our family law system, based on the family unity principle, a violation of our immigration system, which allows legal rights to claim asylum and other forms of humanitarian relief, and also our participation in the united nations human rights commission, which has lodged a protest against the u.s. government over this policy and right now the aclu has a court case that they have begun challenging the family separation policy, arguing they are -- they argue, they allege by breaking up families, it is a violation of the due process of the mothers and children, because not being together, it makes it harder for them to corroborate their stories and thus harder to make a case for asylum or refugee status or some type of