united states for international leadership and good stewartship of these major security and trade issues. so they are. they're becoming embolden to push back. look, he can make the case that in the waning years of the obama administration there was concern about u.s. leadership overseas, but president trump hit the accelerator on that and made it even more stark. and they are, they are beginning to believe that they have no other choice now, john, but to push back on the united states and to counter some of our moves. >> what does that end up looking like? play this out for us. justin trudeau openly split with the president and seems to be saying enough. you have the dutch prime minister right there. if this keeps on happening, what's the result? >> well, i worry about us from a trade perspective. you need free and fair trade. i think with this tariff war he is now conducting, you can end up hurting the american economy and the american jobs. on the security front, i think it will become increasingly hard to do two things. to get nations together for a common purpose and a security