reasons to find at least a shred of optimism. from your perspective and experience level, what is your optimism level? you mentioned all of the difficulty that rescuers face in this current situation. >> i have some optimism because they've got top-notch divers. they're pumping the water out. they're making a plan. the thai government has put everything they possibly can into this. they want those kids out, and they want them out in good shape. so, i am very optimistic that they'll move forward. >> let's focus, though, on the specific challenges that these boys are facing. many of them are in bad physical shape for the amount of time that they've been underground. they're in a place that's nearly impossible to reach, not just by human bodies but also with the resources and supplies that they need. some of these kids and, you know, they're as young as 11 years old, can't even swim. i mean, this really is a nightmare situation, isn't it? >> it is, but they're going to