>> what is your concern about exposure for the president when it comes to the corporate vehicle to re-buy or buy back different types of intellectual property and stories or whatever that ami, the parent company, had? >> well, there's no criminal liability there. the potential is political embarrassment. conceivably, depending on the facts, a violation of some, you know, election law act. but in the end, you know, this story just doesn't help the president. and the more of it that comes out, particularly piecemeal, the worse i think he looks in the court of public opinion. now -- >> it's not as bad -- but it's not as bad as what had been happening. it's the one thing i think you have to give a little bit more weight to. this has been an unprecedented week of shame. >> lawyers fight with the political people all the time. if this happened from the trump camp -- and i don't think it did -- it was a victory of temporary politics over long-term legal strategy. >> well, you have to remember