complete understanding of that. did not know about the payment? although that is something that trump himself refused to say when he was standing side by >> "outfront" now, former nixon side with putin. white house counsel, john dean, erin? >> all right. thank you very much, michelle asha rangappa, and audio expert, kosinski. and michelle, really giving us a sense of what happened there. paul ginsburg. he has 40 years experience in contentious. and "outfront" now, let's this area, including working on get to denny heck who sits on the o.j. simpson and waco cases. the intelligence committee. and congressman, obviously, you saw -- heard everything that john, let me start with you, went down today. moen moichael cohen appears to did you find secretary pompeo's answers, the way he chose to answer these questions or not officially turned on trump by releasing this tape. answer these questions, right? a trump he made of a man that he well, the policy is unchanged. said he would take a bullet for. it's sort of, who cares what the maybe he meant, shoot a bullet president may or may not have said and i'm not going to tell at. how worried should trump be? you that. >> well, i think there's good did you find that helpful? reason to be concerned. >> so i'm not at all convinced, this is -- michael is certainly erin, that secretary of state pompeo knows what was said in the process of turning there. towards state's -- becoming a and i think you could infer that from the basis of his vagueness. witness for the southern district, if they're inclined. i think, however, that americans should look at that hearing and you know, i think that he -- at least insofar as what i know there's, what, 4 million pages about it, and actually take some encouragement, if not inspiration from it. of records that were seized from because what you saw was members of the united states senate on that committee, republicans and michael cohen. about 3,000 of them were deemed democrats, liberals and conservatives, and everybody in to be attorney/client privilege.