investigation. >> i'm with you. let's point something out for the audience. i'm trying to make a point with credibility. you are saying that's reasonable doubt. what is it? do you want a legal context? >> you you are making little points about credibility. and a couple major points about the guy who you are lee eyeing on for this big story tonight. number one, he lied to people about taping them both the president and other people. and not only that, he went to subterfuge to do it, a whole little game which shows how pathological he is. second, we know that we have statements from him corroborating 100% the entire stormy daniels situation. exactly as the president has told it. >> but if he's a liar, why wasn't he lying then? >> that's the point. >> for the president who he seemed to know for the whole family. >> now you are making a summation argument that makes it totally useless. you don't know when he's telling the truchlt because truth becau lies on tape.