on an interpol watch list by putin. you've had this experience yourself, it's called red notice, of course the title of your book as well. what are the options to protect a michael mcfall or others who are in putin's cross hairs? >> well, so, there's two different issues for mcfall and the ten other u.s. government officials. one is the u.s. should never put them into the hands of the russians. i don't think the u.s. government would do that and has pretty much concluded it won't. as you say, the second option for vladimir putin is to use this organization called interpol. it's an international organization that effectively operates on its own rules. and russia can, without any approval from the u.s., put me and put those 11 other people on the interpol list. the russians have done this to me seven times. and there's nothing that will prevent them from doing it to mike mcfall and those other u.s. officials. and there's really nothing that the u.s. can do other than being