the fact of special counsel closing in on him and has a southern district investigation. at the end of the day, you see there would be an opportunity for him, based on the proximity to the president, to know what's going on. if he is a person that's not credible or has no veracity for 15 years, why did you keep him around? it makes no sense. the issue whether the president knew or didn't know about this meeting, i don't think it has any legal significance. did we really need michael cohen to tell us about this meeting? was there not enough circumstantial evidence with blocked phone calls relating to don jr. with the president saying two days before the meeting he was coming out with a speech, that was circumstantial. as to the issue of an actual meeting, it's okay -- it's not okay -- it's not like a deposition he lied at, he lied to the press and he has become very adept at that without consequence.